Georges bush avait parlé dans un entretien téléphonique avec le president CHIRAC avant l'invasion us en irak de l'imminence de la venue de gog et magog en terre sainte et qu'il faut aller les combatrre. d'ou la guerre d'irak cité par le nouvel observateur . intéressant n'est ce pas? qu' en pense nos amis juifs et chrétiens merci.

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Georges bush avait parlé dans un entretien téléphonique avec le president CHIRAC avant l'invasion us en irak de l'imminence de la venue de gog et magog en terre sainte et qu'il faut aller les combatrre. d'ou la guerre d'irak cité par le nouvel observateur . intéressant n'est ce pas? qu' en pense nos amis juifs et chrétiens merci.

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Chirac, Bush et l'Apocalypse

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En 2003, le président français comprit, par un coup de fil de son homologue américain, ce qui poussait ce dernier à vouloir faire la guerre à l'Irak.

Directeur de la rédaction du Journal du dimanche entre 1999 et 2005, Jean-Claude Maurice rencontre à une dizaine de reprises, en tête à tête, Jacques Chirac, alors chef de l'Etat. Et notamment en 2003, avant la guerre que les Etats-Unis s'apprêtent à déclencher en Irak et à laquelle le président français s'opposera. Dans Si vous le répétez, je démentirai, à paraître le 5 mars, il raconte. Extraits.

[...] Jacques Chirac l'a appris, le mois précédent, de la bouche même de Bush Jr. Une révélation reçue d'abord avec étonnement, puis, renseignement pris, avec effroi. Lors de cette conversation téléphonique visant à convaincre son homologue français de se joindre à la coalition, George Bush Jr. a utilisé un argument singulier, affirmant que... "Gog et Magog sont à l'oeuvre au Proche-Orient" et que "les prophéties bibliques sont sur le point de s'accomplir". Sur le moment, Jacques Chirac, stupéfait, ne réagit pas. Il sait Bush religieux, mais il a du mal à comprendre que le président de la première puissance du monde soit à ce point fondu des Ecritures qu'il batte le rappel des duettistes Gog et Magog pour justifier son combat! Chirac s'en ouvre à ses conseillers, d'abord portés à sourire. Il les charge de l'éclairer plus précisément sur Gog et Magog.
L'interprétation des Ecritures par George W. Bush a stupéfié Jacques Chirac (ici, à New York, en 2006).

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L'interprétation des Ecritures par George W. Bush a stupéfié Jacques Chirac (ici, à New York, en 2006).

Un jour plus tard, George Bush récidive, prononçant ces deux noms mystérieux lors d'une conférence de presse sur "l'axe du mal". L'Elysée consulte d'urgence un spécialiste. Pas en France, mais en Suisse, pour éviter d'éventuelles fuites. C'est Thomas Römer, professeur de théologie à l'université de Lausanne, qui est mis à contribution. Son rapport a de quoi glacer le sang. Gog, prince de Magog, c'est l'apocalypse. Ce personnage apparaît dans la Genèse, et surtout dans deux des plus obscurs chapitres du Livre d'Ezéchiel, prophétie d'une armée mondiale livrant la bataille finale à Israël. Un conflit voulu par Dieu qui doit, terrassant Gog et Magog, anéantir à jamais les ennemis du peuple élu avant que naisse un monde nouveau.

Pour un esprit français, l'évocation de Gog et Magog pouvait prêter à rire. Chirac, lui, ne rit pas. Cette parabole d'une apocalypse annoncée pour réaliser une prophétie l'inquiète et le tourmente. Il s'interroge aussi sur l'inculture religieuse à l'heure où les soubassements religieux sont beaucoup plus déterminants qu'on ne veut le croire dans les décisions politiques et militaires. [...]

Jacques Chirac dès lors ne s'y trompe pas. Le président américain a sommairement décrypté les Ecritures: une armée mondiale islamiste fondamentaliste menace le monde occidental qui soutient Israël. Les attentats du 11 septembre contre les tours de Manhattan en sont la preuve. [...] "Ils vont mettre la région à feu et à sang. Ils ne comprennent rien à rien et sont d'une inculture crasse en ce qui concerne un Orient déjà compliqué. Demandez-leur de vous citer le nom d'un poète arabe. C'est tout juste si pour eux l'affrontement entre chiites et sunnites ne renvoie pas à la finale d'un Super Bowl du Moyen-Orient!" Et d'énumérer tout ce qui va se passer. "Vous verrez: ils vont mener une guerre de Pandore, la gagner rapidement, mais le plus dur alors commencera. Sunnites et chiites vont se déchirer. Après l'invasion, une guerre civile fera plus de victimes civiles que les combats de la guerre éclair. Al-Qaeda trouvera en Irak un terrain de manoeuvre qui lui est jusqu'ici interdit. Dans un an, il faudra envoyer des renforts. Et dans trois ans, quand 3000 GI seront morts, ils n'auront le choix qu'entre le retrait et l'envoi de nouvelles troupes."

Ezequiel 38

Gog est un prince de Magog, un region proche de la turquie et des balkans, bref des musulmans !

lis la bible au lieu de croire sur parole ton torchon de coran

Mon frére darkviking, je te salue ,
tu te trompes gog et magog ce sont les kazhars convertis au judaisme et qui n'ont rien de sémite mais se prétendent quand méme comme étant le peuple élu et ont inventé le" peuple juifs" lire le livre de l'historien israelien SHLOMO SAND qui le dit lui méme,Ce sont eux qui ont fondé le sionnisme, juifs askhénaze, ils compoosent 90% de la population du faux israel kazhar. C'est un peuple européen non sémitique car jésus n'est pas blond aux yeux blueu et que nul ne peut combattre a part jésus et son armé de musulmans qui vienderont délivrer les lieux saint de jérusalem et régner sur le monde. cette prophétie de mahomet n'est pas loin de se concretiser. les vrai fils d'israel se sont les palestiniens frére de jésus qui sont resté dans le vrai monothéiiste.Jésus ne va pas quand méme défendre les riches opresseurs sionniste et banquier au détriment des pauvres palestiniens allons unpeu de bon sens tout de méme!

parmi les faux juifs kazhar : sarkozy, alain minc , finkelkrault, gluxman,kouchner, shimon perez, herzeil, tous les dirigeants israeliens, wolwofitz,kessinger, ......

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car jésus n'est pas blond aux yeux blueu

ta une photo de lui????

The Real Face Of Jesus������������������������������������ Study No. 217
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Advances in forensic science reveal the most famous face in history.



Illustration By BBC Photo Library



From the first time Christian children settle into Sunday school classrooms, an image of Jesus Christ is etched into their minds. In North America He is most often depicted as being taller than His disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes.

Familiar though this image may be, it is inherently flawed. A person with these features and physical bearing would have looked very different from every��one else in the region where Jesus lived and ministered. Surely the authors of the Bible would have mentioned so stark a contrast. On the contrary, according to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was, because they could not tell Him apart from His disciples. Further clouding the question of what Jesus looked like, is the simple fact that nowhere in the New Testa�ment is Jesus described, nor have any drawings of Him ever been uncov�ered. There is the additional problem of having neither a skeleton nor other bodily remains to probe for DNA. In the absence of evidence, our images of Jesus have been left to the imagination of artists. The influences of the artists� cultures and traditions can be profound, observes Carlos F. Cardoza-Orlandi, associate profes�sor of world Christ�ianity at Columbia Theological Seminary in Atlanta. �While Western imagery is dom�inant, in other parts of the world He is often shown as black, Arab, or Hispanic.� And so the fundamental question remains: What did Jesus look like?

An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology. Using methods similar to those police have developed to solve crimes, British scientists, assisted by Israeli archeologists, have re-created what they believe is the most accurate image (above) of the most famous face in human history.



The Body As Evidence



An outgrowth of physical anthropology, forensic an�thropology uses cultural and archeological data as well as the physical and biological sciences to study different groups of people, explains A. Midori Albert, a professor who teaches forensic anthro�pology at the University of North Carolina at Wilming�ton. Experts in this highly specialized field require a working knowledge of gen�etics, and human growth and develop�ment. In their research they also draw from the fields of primatology, paleo�anthropology (the study of primate and human evolution) and human osteology (the study of the skeleton). Even seemingly distant fields like nutrition, dentistry, and climate adaptation play a role in this type of investigation.

While forensic anthropology is usually used to solve crimes, Richard Neave, a medical artist retired from The University of Manchester in England, realized it also could shed light on the appearance of Jesus. The co-author of Making Faces: Using Forensic And Archaeological Evidence, Neave had ventured in controversial areas before. Over the past two decades, he had reconstructed dozens of famous faces, including Philip II of Mace�donia, the father of Alexander the Great, and King Midas of Phrygia. If anyone could create an accurate portrait of Jesus, it would be Neave.



Reconstructing Jesus



Matthew�s description of the events in Gethsemane offers an obvious clue to the face of Jesus. It is clear that His features were typical of Galilean Semites of His era. And so the first step for Neave and his research team was to acquire skulls from near Jerusalem, the region where Jesus lived and preached. Semite skulls of this type had previously been found by Israeli archeology experts, who shared them with Neave.

With three well-preserved specimens from the time of Jesus in hand, Neave used computerized tomography to create X-ray �slices� of the skulls, thus revealing minute details about each one�s structure. Special computer programs then evaluated reams of information about known measurements of the thickness of soft tissue at key areas on human faces. This made it possible to re-create the muscles and skin overlying a representative Semite skull.

The entire process was accomplished using software that verified the results with anthropological data. From this data, the researchers built a digital 3-D reconstruction of the face. Next, they created a cast of the skull. Layers of clay matching the thickness of facial tissues specified by the computer program were then applied, along with simulated skin. The nose, lips and eyelids were then modeled to follow the shape determined by the underlying muscles.



A Matter of Style



Two key factors could not be determined from the skull � Jesus�s hair and coloration. To fill in these parts of the picture, Neave�s team turned to drawings found at various archeological sites, dated to the first century. Drawn before the Bible was compiled, they held crucial clues that enabled the researchers to determine that Jesus had dark rather than light-colored eyes. They also pointed out that in keeping with Jewish tradition, He was bearded as well.

Text Box: Long hair and narrow features mark the Shroud of Turin as a fraud. Photo by Bettmann/CorbisIt was the Bible, however, that resolved the question of the length of Jesus�s hair. While most religious artists have put long hair on Christ, most Biblical scholars believe that it was probably short with tight curls. This assumption, however, contradicted what many believe to be the most authentic depiction: the face seen in the image on the famous � some say infamous � Shroud of Turin. The shroud is believed by many to be the cloth in which Jesus�s body was wrapped after His death. Although there is a difference of opinion as to whether the shroud is gen�uine, it clearly de�picts a figure with long hair. Those who criticize the shroud�s legitimacy point to I Corinthians, one of the many New Testa�ment books the Apostle Paul is credited with writing. In one chapter he mentions having seen Jesus � then later describes long hair on a man as disgraceful. Would Paul have written �If a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him� [11:14] if Jesus Christ had had long hair? For Neave and his team, this settled the issue. Jesus, as drawings from the first century depict, would have had short hair, appropriate to men of the time.

The historic record also resolved the issue of Jesus�s height. From an analysis of skeletal remains, archeologists had firmly established that the average build of a Semite male at the time of Jesus was 5 ft., 1 in., with an average weight of about 110 pounds. Since Jesus worked outdoors as a carpenter until He was about 30 years old, it is reasonable to assume He was more muscular and physically fit than westernized portraits suggest. His face was probably weather-beaten, which would have made Him appear older, as well.



An Accurate Portrait



For those accustomed to traditional Sunday school portraits of Jesus, the sculpture of the dark and swarthy Middle Eastern man that emerges from Neave�s laboratory is a reminder of the roots of their faith. �The fact that He probably looked a great deal more like a darker-skinned Semite than westerners are used to seeing him pictured, is a reminder of His universality,� says Charles D. Hackett, director of Episcopal studies at the Candler School of Theology in Atlanta. �And [it is] a reminder of our tendency to sinfully approp�riate Him in the service of our cultural values.�

Neave emphasizes that his re-creation is simply that of an adult man who lived in the same place and at the same time as Jesus. As might well be expected, not everyone agrees. Forensic depictions are not an exact science, cautions Alison Galloway, professor of anthropology at the University of California in Santa Cruz. The details in a face follow the soft tissue above the muscle, and it is here where forensic artists differ widely in technique. Galloway points out that some artists pay more attention to the subtle differences in such details as the distance between the bottom of the nose and the mouth. And the most recognizable features of the face � the folds of the eyes, structure of the nose and shape of the mouth � are left to the artist. �In some cases the resemblance between the reconstruction and the actual individual can be uncanny,� says Galloway. �But in others there may be more resemblance with the other work of the same artist.� Despite this reservation, she reaches one conclusion that is inescapable to almost everyone who has ever seen Neave�s Jesus. �This is probably a lot closer to the truth than the work of many great masters.�

�� by Mike Fillon, from the December, 2002, issue of Popular Mechanics. � Copyright The Hearst Corporation.� All Rights Reserved, reprinted with permission.

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Seeing the Face of the Real Jesus



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nowledge that the real Jesus of the Bible was not an effeminate, lily-white, sissy, helps us to understand the message He brought.� The Spirit of Christ is not weak, but strong; not of fear, but of love and power, and sound mind, II Timothy 1:7.



As commonly depicted by �Christian� artists, Jesus is not a real manly character, not someone you would want to follow.� You would not want this �Jesus� to be the captain of your football team, let alone, your salva�tion.� But, this depiction is false.� Some want a weak Jesus, but a strong priest or elder.� Even worse, pictures of Christ lead one to worship an image, rather than the real Being represented by the image.� That is why we eschew pictures of Christ.� While it is interest�ing to note that scientists have come to our view that Jesus looked like any Jew of His day, was an outdoorsman, and did not have long hair, the most important thing is for us to see Jesus for what He is: our Savior, and soon-coming King.

All things are going to be put under the feet of Jesus, Hebrews 2:8, but not yet.� �But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man.� For it became Him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings,� verses 9-10.

�Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is,� I John 3:2.� He is God, full of love, verse 1.� He is Light and Truth, awesome in His presence, Revelation 1:12-18.

At the present time, we see through a glass, darkly, I Corinthians 13:12.� A picture of Jesus does not help us to �see� Him as He is, to love and follow Him above all things.� We need to run patiently the race set before us, Hebrews 12:1.� �Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith . . .� verse 2.� �Follow peace with all men, and holinesss, without which no man shall see the Lord,� verse 14.� �Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God,� Matthew 5:8.

Reconstructing a picture of what a typical Jew of Jesus� day looked like, is nothing like seeing the real Jesus, in His glorified form, face to face, when our sins look really bad.� �And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and supplications: and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn,� Zechariah 12:10.

In the New Heavens and New Earth, the redeemed will see Jesus, �And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of god and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him:� And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads.� And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever,� Revelation 22:3-5.� God help us to see the face of the real Jesus!

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Le vrai visage de Jésus
"La chaîne britannique BBC vient de diffuser Son of God (Fils de Dieu), un documentaire présentant les dernières théories historiques sur le "vrai" Jésus. (...) Un médecin légiste a reconstruit le visage de Jésus d'après des ossements "typiques de l'époque". En l'occurrence ceux d'un paysan juif enterré dans la région natale du Christ au Ier siècle de notre ère."
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je suis d'accord c'est une évidence

Ce ssont les sraeliensgog et magog et ils font subir les pires atrocités aux descendants de jacob, aveugle qu'ils sont de par leur racisme ils croivent a fond que se sont eux les opprimés alors qu'ils possédent la plus puissante armée et colonise un territoir et un peuple de croyant a la religion d'abraham. écouter

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car jésus n'est pas blond aux yeux blueu

ta une photo de lui????

Pas besoin de photo c'est ÉVIDENT !!!!!

arnica a écrit:

darkviking a écrit:

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car jésus n'est pas blond aux yeux blueu

ta une photo de lui????

Pas besoin de photo c'est ÉVIDENT !!!!!

bonjour Arnica au faite merci

qu'es qui est évident !!! peux tu me l'expliquer ?

Que Jésus n'est pas blond aux yeux bleu .
De toute façon qui peut a l'heure actuel dire a quoi ressemblait Jésus ?

revenons au sujet de gog et magog qu'en pensez vous?

arnica a écrit:

Que Jésus n'est pas blond aux yeux bleu .
De toute façon qui peut a l'heure actuel dire a quoi ressemblait Jésus ?

oui, t'as raison personne, ils inventent des trucs, puis se rétractent,puis ils disent non, c'est faux, puis ils inventent, ....etc....

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car jésus n'est pas blond aux yeux blueu

ta une photo de lui????

Si on veut voir son vrai visage ...
http://jesusphotos.altervista.org/Jesus_face.htm